To: Helena Lersch From: Roger Clarke Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 10:00:05 +1000 Subject: Re: Invitation to 'Engagement' Forum - 9 Sep 2014 Cc: Damian Kassabgi , Ishtar Vij , Matt Dawes , Charlie Hale , apfboard@privacy.org.au Dear Helen, all At 16:14 +1000 13/8/14, Helena Lersch wrote: >We would like to invite you to a face-to-face meeting here at Google to give you a bit more background information on our latest efforts to secure our usersÕ privacy. ÊWe are inviting an informal group of Australian user and privacy organisations with which Google regularly engages, to talk with Google folks both in Australia and the US (by video-conference). ÊIt is a forum for an exchange of information, as well as an opportunity to ask anything that is on your mind. This event is off-the-record / background. Thank you for your invitation. We draw to your attention the APF's multiple previous communications to you about what 'engagement' with civil society entails: http://www.privacy.org.au/Papers/Google-110126.pdf The event you're proposing is not engagement, and not a forum. It's an information session, in which Google will project to attendees. We're not intending to thereby demean the event, because some of the material is definitely of interest. And APF may have one or more representatives who would like to attend. However, we do not permit Google to misrepresent APF's participation as being in any sense engagement, or part of any consultation process, because you have steadfastly refused to run any such events. We once again request that Google engage with civil society in a manner consistent with proper consultative processes, as per: http://www.privacy.org.au/Papers/PS-Cons.html We suggest below a series of potential discussion topics, which reflect the kinds of things that the media are continually pursuing us about. We would welcome the opportunity to exchange information and views on such matters - always assuming that information that we provide is listened to, assimilated, and reflected in Google's decision-making. Yours sincerely Roger Clarke Chair, for the Board of the Australian Privacy Foundation _________________________________________________________ Potential Topics for a Consultation Process - 'The Right to be Forgotten', noting that in Australia there has been such a right for decades, in the form of spent convictions legislation - Data retention: Both the ongoing proposals by the Australian government and Google's own role as a mass data retention operator - The TPP/TTIP's proposed ban on national choice of where, and by whom, data is stored - Relationships with national security organisations - Un-blockable tracking through 'device fingerprinting', as well as cookies, trackers, bugs, etc. - Transparency in relation to Terms of Use and Privacy Policy Statements - Big Data Analytics and Google's holdings of personal data - Google's commitment to anonymity and pseudonymity across all services following the removal of the real names policy on Google+ _________________________________________________ When: Ê9.15am-2.00pm, Tuesday, September 9, 2014 Where: ÊGoogleÕs Sydney office, Level 2, 58 Pirrama Road, Pyrmont (Wharf 7 building, Maritime Museum) Agenda: 9.15am 15mins Arrival 9.30am 5mins Introduction by Helena Lersch, Policy Analyst Google 9.35am 45mins Introduction to our innovation unit GoogleX and their latest projects Charlie Hale, policy specialist at GoogleX 10.10am 30mins Break - morning tea 10.40am 30mins Presentation on GoogleÕs latest security efforts Stephan Somogy and Ross Schulmann, policy specialists based in the US 11.10am 30mins Discussion on the recent data retention proposals from Government Matt Dawes, Policy Counsel Google Australia 11.40am Lunch 12.45pm 60mins Discussion on the ÒRight to be ForgottenÓ Annie Baxter, Head of Communications Australia/New Zealand and Ishtar Vij, Head of Public Policy Australia and New Zealand 1.45pm 15mins Feedback on the meeting from participants Helena Lersch, Public Analyst Google 2.00pm End meeting Attendance is by invite and RSVP. Please let me know if you believe there are colleagues of yours that should be invited. ÊPlease RSVP by August 22nd, to me at hlersch@google.com. ÊIf you will be coming from interstate, Google will cover reasonable costs of your travel. ÊPlease contact me before booking your flights so that we can discuss the arrangements. We hope you will be able to join us for this meeting. Kind regards, Helena Lersch -- Helena Lersch Google Policy Team Mobile:+61478879887 Working from Sydney, Australia until October 3rd